COMMISSION OF INQUIRY INTO CRICKET MATCH FIXING AND RELATED MATTERS

HELD ON: 09-06-2000

AT THE CENTRE OF THE BOOK


MR FITZGERALD: Mr Commissioner, the next witness is Nicky Bojé.

COMMISSIONER: Mr Boje, what language would you like to take the oath in?

MR BOJE: I'll do it in English.

COMMISSIONER: Good. What are your full names, please?

MR BOJE: Nico Boje

COMMISSIONER: Do you have any objection to taking the oath, Mr Bojé?

NICO BOJE: (sworn states)

EXAMINATION BY MR FITZGERALD: Nicky, it's notorious that I can't pronounce your surname properly. May I call you Nicky?

MR BOJE: That's fine.

MR FITZGERALD: You learned your cricket at Grey College in Bloemfontein, is that correct?

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And you thereafter played Provincial cricket for Orange Free State.

MR BOJE: Correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And you were first selected for South Africa in 1995.

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: You're a left-arm spinner, and a left-arm batsman.

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And you at least regard yourself as an all-rounder.

MR BOJE: Very much so.

COMMISSIONER: I think your record proves you to be an all-rounder, Mr Boje.

MR BOJE: Thank you.

MR FITZGERALD: You are currently a member of the South African Cricket Team and have been selected to tour Sri Lanka in early July this year, is that correct?

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: Can we commence your evidence by referring to the India tour of 1996?

MR BOJE: Sure.

MR FITZGERALD: What was your age at that stage?

MR BOJE: 23.

MR FITZGERALD: Was that your first tour with the South African team?

MR BOJE: I had a short tour to Zimbabwe in '95, but that was my first main tour, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: Now we've already discussed with the Commission the Benefit Match which took place at the end of the tour, and that a team meeting or meetings occurred. Can you describe to the Commission what you recall of any meetings prior to the last Benefit Match, which we know was elevated to a one-day international ultimately.

MR BOJE: Hansie called the team to a room in the hotel and told us that somebody approached him and the team to throw the match, and he said, 'We're all in, or we're all out.' And for me, being my first tour and a youngster, I had probably not much to do in the whole conversation that was going on, and a couple of players - I know Andrew Hudson, Derek Crookes, Daryll Cullinan and later Dave Richardson also said, 'There's no-ways that we're going to do this.' And Hansie said, 'That's fine.' And we called it off, and that was the end of it.

MR FITZGERALD: There have been discussions about how many meetings in fact occurred. How many meetings did you attend?

MR BOJE: I went to one.

MR FITZGERALD: Did you play an active role at the meeting?

MR BOJE: No.

MR FITZGERALD: Would you have taken money to throw a game? MR BOJE: No, I won't do that.

MR FITZGERALD: Mr Hamid Banjo Cassim, how well do you know him?

MR BOJE: Not very well. I've seen him once or twice, and also asked some of the players who that guy is 'cause I don't know him, and I would say if I see him now, if he's in this room now, I won't even know that it is him.

MR FITZGERALD: You never enjoyed his biltong?

MR BOJE: It's not the same as the Free State's biltong.

MR FITZGERALD: Nicky, can we go to the Indian tour, the most recent Indian tour? You were a member of the team, is that correct?

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: You played in the 2 Five-day Test matches?

MR BOJE: That's correct. I made my debut in the first Test, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: Sorry, was that your - that was your international debut in the first Test?

MR BOJE: Ja, in Test Cricket, ja.

MR FITZGERALD: And you also played in the first four one-day internationals.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: You didn't play in the fifth one-day international at Nagpur?

MR BOJE: No.

MR FITZGERALD: Were you originally selected for the tour?

MR BOJE: I was not selected for the Test Series. Paul Adams broke his finger in the last Test against England here, and a couple of days before the tour, they - Roostie(?) Majiet, or the Convenor of Selectors, phoned me and said that I've got to pack my bags and go on tour. And he said that to me on the Saturday and the one-day squad was only announced a couple of days after that, so I wasn't even sure if I was going to be in the one-day squad.

MR FITZGERALD: I understand that you felt you should have been there in the first place.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: Were you at any time approached by Hansie Cronje during the Indian tour to perform below the best of your ability in exchange for money, or to assist him in throwing any game?

MR BOJE: No.

MR FITZGERALD: Have you ever been approached by him?

MR BOJE: No.

MR FITZGERALD: Now we know there were revelations that were made on the 7th of April, and you were identified as one of the players allegedly involved in match-fixing. Are you aware of that?

MR BOJE: Yes. Bronwyn Wilkinson phoned me the afternoon of the 7th.

MR FITZGERALD: What was your reaction and response to that information?

MR BOJE: Probably at first I thought it was a joke, but then later on I saw that it was quite a serious thing, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: Were you surprised?

MR BOJE: I was shocked and very surprised, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: In the transcripts to which we have referred in this Commission, you are allegedly mentioned by name. You have a copy of that transcript, do you?

MR BOJE: I do.

MR FITZGERALD: And it seems to be divided into two sections as it were, and to refer to two games, that on the assumption that that section of the transcript in which your name is referred, that that is a transcript of conversation that took place on the 16th of March this year.

MR BOJE: I believe so.

MR FITZGERALD: Can we just look firstly at your performance in the match that took place immediately after that alleged telephone conversation, namely the fourth one-day international, which took place on the 17th of March? If one looks at the score card, I see you made 9 runs in 10 balls, and you were caught Josie, bowled Kumble.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: Can you describe your innings in that match at all?

MR BOJE: Ja, we - from the - well, when the Test Series started and the one-day Series, we tried to, especially against Kumble, to get a left-hander in, just to mix it up because he bowls quite well to right-handers, and that's why I went in earlier than normal. And I had a couple of goes, and I missed out on one bad ball and was caught, not a bad catch.

MR FITZGERALD: If we have regard to your bowling performance, you'll see that on the second page, you bowled 10 overs, 1 for 43.

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: Without being unduly modest, can you describe to the Commissioner how you regarded your performance that day?

MR BOJE: Not to shabby. It was probably the first time in my life that I had bowled in a one-day game with a slip and two gullies.

MR FITZGERALD: Is that an unusual occurrence in a one-day game?

MR BOJE: It doesn't normally happen.

COMMISSIONER: Well, it's flattering to the bowler, isn't it?

MR BOJE: I would think so, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: You did try your best for South Africa that day?

MR BOJE: Yes.

MR FITZGERALD: Incidentally, South Africa lost that game, but only on the last ball, do you recall?

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: There will obviously be speculation as to why your name was referred to by Mr Cronje in this transcript. Are you able to offer any explanation for that?

MR BOJE: I've got no idea. I was quite shocked and didn't really believe it when I saw it at first, and I think the only person that can say anything about it is Hansie himself.

MR FITZGERALD: Just generally, with regard to your performances on that tour, in the first Test match, which South Africa won, in the Indian first innings I see you got naught for 17 in 5 overs, you made 14 in the South African innings, and did not bat in the second innings.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And I see the fast bowlers hogged all the bowling in the Indian second innings, and you didn't bowl at all.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And in the second Test, which South Africa won, I think it's common cause that you were Man of the Match.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And just for the record again, your bowling analysis in the Indian first innings, was 15 overs, 6 maidens, 2 for 10.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: You opened the batting in the South African innings and made 85.

MR BOJE: No, I batted number 3. I went in as nightwatchman.

MR FITZGERALD: Oh, sorry. Mr Kirsten was on the foot of the previous page. So you went in as nightwatchman, and I remember they couldn't get you out and you made 85.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And just for the record, your bowling analysis in the second innings? 38 overs, 4 maidens, 5 for 83.

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And you were, as I said, the Man of the Match.

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR FITZGERALD: You didn't play in the fifth one-day international?

MR BOJE: No, I didn't.

MR FITZGERALD: And I think the record of your performances in the one-day internationals speak for themselves.

MR BOJE: I hope so, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: In paragraph 8 of your statement, you deal with you response in general to - under the heading of 'Cronje's decisions'. Have you during your career or exposure to Hansie during games, ever had reason to doubt any of his decisions as a tactical - on a tactical basis or otherwise?

MR BOJE: No, never.

MR FITZGERALD: Did you ever suspect that he was involved in any form of match-fixing?

MR BOJE: No.

MR FITZGERALD: Now on the 7th of April, as we said, the revelations broke, the story - the revelations broke and the newspapers published the story that Hansie was involved in match-fixing. You were questioned on that day by Dr Ali Bacher in that regard. Is that correct?

MR BOJE: That is correct, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: And your response was?

MR BOJE: He asked me if I had anything to do with this, or these allegations, and I said, 'No'.

MR FITZGERALD: Hansie's as it were, confession, became known on the 11th of April.

MR BOJE: I believe so, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: There was a team meeting in Durban on that day, is that correct?

MR BOJE: Ja, there was a team meeting before our practice in the change room, and the Manager told us everything that happened the night before.

MR FITZGERALD: Were you asked specifically whether you'd been involved in any way at that meeting?

MR BOJE: Not in that meeting. After practise we had another meeting at the hotel, where Dr Ali Bacher and a couple more people were, and he asked Herschelle and myself that same question, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: You were asked to stand up.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: And what was your response to the question?

MR BOJE: I have got nothing to do with this allegations.

MR FITZGERALD: Lest Mr Gauntlett asks you about this, the omission to deal with that in the statement is my fault and not yours. I see you've made no reference in your statement to that meeting. Is it correct further that on the 19th of April Dr Bacher phoned you and asked you to attend a meeting at his home on the 20th of April?

MR BOJE: That is correct, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: What was your response to that request?

MR BOJE: He asked me again if I had anything to do with these allegations, and I said, 'No, I don't.' And he asked me - he said that I must come up to Jo'burg if I've got anything else to add to what I've said before. And if I had something I had to phone him back in about 10 minutes time, and he said if I don't phone him back, then he'll take it as what I said.

MR FITZGERALD: So in the event, you didn't attend the meeting at Dr Bacher's house on the 20th?

MR BOJE: No. I didn't phone him back, and I didn't attend the meeting.

MR FITZGERALD: Can we deal finally with your contact with Hansie Cronje since the revelations in the Press that he, Herschelle Gibbs, Mr Strydom and you were involved in match-fixing? Have you spoken to Hansie at all since then?

MR BOJE: I've spoken a couple of times to him when it came out in the papers, just to find out what's going on, and he said no, we must just wait and see what else is going - or what else is going to happen or come out, or whatever. And then the day after the first game against Australia, I heard Goolam Rajah, our Manager speak to him, and I asked Goolam if I can just have a quick word with him, and that was after he confessed about that he was part of all these things. And I said to Hansie that just to find out how's he going, how things going with him, and that I support him.

MR FITZGERALD: When was your first telephonic contact with Hansie Cronje?

MR BOJE: Was just after it came out in the papers, or when the UCB knew about it, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: And did you phone him to enquire what was going on?

MR BOJE: That is correct, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: And your final contact with Mr Cronje, when was that?

MR BOJE: Hansie phoned me about a week ago, just to find out how things are going and if I've been down to Cape Town to the enquiry and that, and I said, 'No', and the rest of the conversation was just supportive, you know, how's it going? How's the family? And those type of things.

MR FITZGERALD: Talking about family, is it correct that your parents in particular and Hansie Cronje's parents are very close?

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR FITZGERALD: How would you describe Hansie's role in your life?

MR BOJE: Hansie's been my Captain when we played together for Grey. He's been my Captain in the same side as for Free State for probably the last 10 years now, and he's also was Captain of the South African side, where I was a part. So he had a very big part in my career so far.

MR FITZGERALD: What is your view of the revelations that have come out about Hansie Cronje?

MR BOJE: Probably the biggest thing is shock and disappointment, because I really didn't believe the stories.

MR FITZGERALD: And how do you feel about Hansie now?

MR BOJE: Well, I still respect him very much, and he's still a close friend of mine. And as the same as - you know, he's human, everybody makes mistakes. I'm a Christian as well, and I forgive him for what he's done, and also that he mentioned my names on the tapes.

MR FITZGERALD: I have no further questions.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR FITZGERALD

COMMISSIONER: Mr Gauntlett?

MR GAUNTLETT: Mr Commissioner, solely by virtue of an alleged mastery of this witnesses name, my learned friend Mr Manca will be asking the questions.

COMMISSIONER: Do you best, Mr Manca.

MR MANCA: He's put me under a lot of pressure now, in regard to the name, that is.

CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR MANCA: Mr Boje, when you went on the Indian tour in 1996, was that your first tour out of the Republic of South Africa together with the National team?

MR BOJE: No. I had one or two smaller tours, just one-day series, but this was the first main tour, Test Series and one-day Series.

MR MANCA: You have testified about the meeting at which the offer that was conveyed to Mr Cronje was conveyed to the team. That's correct.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: Sorry, Mr Fitzgerald wishes to ask you a question.

MR FITZGERALD: Sorry, my - I apologise for interrupting. It's just occurred to me, I forgot to ask Mr Boje to confirm his statement, and perhaps we should do that, lest there's any cross-examination on that. Do you have your original statement before you?

MR BOJE: I do.

MR FITZGERALD: Do you confirm that that is your signature?

MR BOJE: That is.

MR FITZGERALD: And you confirm the contents thereof?

MR BOJE: Correct, yes.

MR FITZGERALD: Sorry, can I ask you to hand that up to the Commissioner?

MR MANCA: Thank you, Mr Commissioner.

You testified that you were present at one meeting at which this offer was discussed.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: The whole touring squad was present at that meeting?

MR BOJE: Correct.

MR MANCA: And as a previous witness testified, the meeting took about half-an-hour.

MR BOJE: It could have. I'm not sure.

MR MANCA: You wouldn't disagree with that?

MR BOJE: No.

MR MANCA: And as you and other witnesses have testified, certain members of the team spoke out very strongly against taking the offer.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: The meeting was a serious meeting.

MR BOJE: I would think so, yes.

MR MANCA: The offer was put to the team seriously?

MR BOJE: Yes.

MR MANCA: And the team seriously considered the offer.

MR BOJE: Ja, I wouldn't say 'serious', but they really - you know, it was probably most of them were shocked because it's the first time ever that somebody approached the team to throw a game, and that's why a couple of players just said there's no-ways they're going to do it.

MR MANCA: Yes, when you say that it was the first time ever that somebody had approached the team to throw a game, is that your personal knowledge?

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: Because Mr Symcox did testify a few days ago that in 1995, in January 1995, Mr Cronje had spoken to him in a hotel room in Cape Town and had conveyed to him that an offer had been made to the team to throw a game.

MR BOJE: I must say I read it in the paper as well, and it sounded to me like it was only to Mr Symcox himself and not the whole team.

MR MANCA: Mr Boje, Mr Symcox's evidence was that Mr Cronje told him that an offer had been made to the team. His evidence was that he had spoken to Mr Cronje about it alone in Mr Cronje's hotel room.

MR BOJE: Could have.

MR MANCA: So you would then agree that the offer in 1996 was in fact not the first offer the team had received.

MR BOJE: Sounds like it, yes.

MR MANCA: Well, now Mr Boje, you know that your name was mentioned in the transcripts of the alleged telephone calls.

MR BOJE: Yes.

MR MANCA: And you also know that Mr Strydom's name is mentioned and Mr Gibbs' name is mentioned.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: And were you here yesterday when Mr Gibbs testified?

MR BOJE: Yes.

MR MANCA: So you heard him confirm his involvement in the matter?

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: Were you here this morning when Mr Strydom testified?

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: And you heard Mr Strydom confirm that he had also been approached by Mr Cronje.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: I've spoken to Mr Goolam Rajah, the National Team Manager, and he has told me and others that on Wednesday the 12th of April, that was the day of the first one-day international against Australia, to be played at Kingsmead?

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR MANCA: He received a telephone call from Mark Boucher said to him, in connection with these allegations of match-fixing and bribery, he suggested that Mr Rajah speak to Mr Gibbs, Mr Strydom and yourself.

MR BOJE: Ja, that could be. I don't know.

MR MANCA: And the Commission has heard evidence of the steps that were taken by Mr Rajah and the various discussions that were held. And the Commission has also heard evidence that initially, to a greater or a lesser degree, depending on which one you're referring to, both Mr Gibbs and Mr Strydom denied any involvement whatsoever.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: You have also denied any involvement whatsoever.

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR MANCA: Do you have any explanation why Mark Boucher should have suggested to Mr Goolam Rajah that he speak to you?

MR BOJE: I've got no idea.

MR MANCA: Now you were a member of the South African squad that played in the recent One-day Series against Australia in April, is that correct?

MR BOJE: That's correct, yes.

MR MANCA: So you would have been present at the various meetings that reference has been made to in the evidence, in particular the meeting that took place at Kingsmead at about lunch time on Tuesday the 11th of April, between the team and essentially Management of the United Cricket Board.

MR BOJE: Are you referring to the meeting before the practise?

MR MANCA: I'm referring to the meeting at - on Tuesday the 11th of April, and I think it took place at around about quarter-past one in the afternoon. It might have been before a practise, I'm not sure about that.

MR BOJE: There were two meetings, the one before practise when Goolam Rajah told us the whole thing, what happened through the night. And then there was a meeting again after practise in the hotel, in our team room, where Dr Ali Bacher spoke to us.

MR MANCA: Yes, that's the meeting that I'm referring to.

MR BOJE: Okay.

MR MANCA: Now before that meeting with Dr Bacher, as you have told the Commission, Goolam Rajah told the team what had happened, before the net practise commenced that morning.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MR MANCA: When you say that he told the team what had happened, I presume you are referring to what had transpired in the early hours of the morning, and what Mr Cronje had told him?

MR BOJE: I don't know the whole story, but what he told us was that Hansie admitted taking money, and he's gone to see I think - was it the Minister of Sport or Minister of Foreign Affairs or - I don't know who else he was going - or who he was going to see in Cape Town, and that Hansie is not going to be part of the three games against Australia.

MR MANCA: That revelations must surely have changed the nature of that net practise.

MR BOJE: Definitely.

MR MANCA: The players would most obviously have discussed that revelation.

MR BOJE: Yes. And I can just say as well that it was supposed to be a full net practise, and on the end it turned out to be just a whoever is keen to have a net, and whoever is keen to have a bowl. I probably, just because I was very shocked, I sat out for probably most of the practise, just in disbelief.

MR MANCA: Did you ask any of the players, during the course of that morning, whether they had been involved in any way whatsoever?

MR BOJE: No.

MR MANCA: Did - in your presence, did any of the other players ask a similar question?

MR BOJE: No.

MR MANCA: What would the players have been talking about?

MR BOJE: I think probably just talk between each other what has come out so far, and I think more a shock and disbelief were amongst the players.

MR MANCA: There was a meeting later with Dr Bacher and representatives of the United Cricket Board, other representatives of the United Cricket Board.

MR BOJE: That's correct.

MR MANCA: Did the players themselves perhaps get together before that meeting?

MR BOJE: No. We had to rush quite quickly after that practise to get back to the hotel.

MR MANCA: After the meeting with Dr Bacher did the players perhaps get together and discuss the contents of that meeting?

MR BOJE: No.

MR MANCA: You have testified that you have spoken to Mr Cronje subsequent to the - well, subsequent to his admission to taking money.

MR BOJE: Yes.

MR MANCA: Did you ask in any of those conversations with Mr Cronje, whether or not the transcripts of the telephone calls that have been published and circulated were in fact correct?

MR BOJE: No.

MR MANCA: Did you ask Mr Cronje why he mentioned your name?

MR BOJE: No.

MR MANCA: Why not?

MR BOJE: I just didn't believe it.

MR MANCA: You didn't believe what?

MR BOJE: The whole allegations that was against us, or - mentioned against us, ja.

MR MANCA: No further questions, Mr Commissioner.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MANCA

CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS BATOHI: Thank you, Mr Commissioner. Mr Boje, I'm just taking up on the last question that's been asked by Mr Manca. You were asked whether you ever asked Mr Cronje why he mentioned your name, and you said you never did. I can't understand why you never asked him. You said you didn't believe it, okay? But there you have transcripts that have been produced, your name is mentioned there, why didn't you ask him, "did you in fact mention my name to anybody?" Why didn't you ask him that question?

MR BOJE: I didn't see that it was a need to do that, because I know I'm innocent and that that came out was just - it's not true.

MS BATOHI: Well, Mr Boje, I understand that you knew you were innocent. That's all the more reason why you would want to know from Mr Cronje if it was true that he'd mentioned your name, and if so, why he did that. So why didn't - I just find it hard to understand why you didn't ask him, "why did you mention my name?" or, "is it true that you mentioned my name?"

MR BOJE: I said it earlier as well that I'm a Christian as well, and I forgive him for what he's done, and I know if - you know, he's going through enough trouble of his own that it's no need to hamper him with all these questions.

MS BATOHI: Well, Mr Boje, at the stage when these transcripts first became public, you didn't know at that stage whether Mr Cronje was involved in it or not. Why didn't you, before he made the admission, as soon as the transcripts became public, why didn't you ask him then, "is it true? What's going on? Did you mention my name? And if so, why?"

MR BOJE: I probably didn't ask him if he mentioned my name, but I did ask him what was going on.

MS BATOHI: Didn't it worry you that the whole world now thought that you were involved in some sort of match-fixing? Didn't that concern you? Didn't you want to get to the bottom of that?

MR BOJE: Yes, that's why we have this Commission of Inquiry.

MS BATOHI: Well, let me take you back. Didn't it concern you at that time, when the transcripts were released? Weren't you concerned the whole world thought you were involved in match-fixing? That's before the Commission was even announced. Didn't it bother you that the world thought you were perhaps involved in match-fixing and didn't you want to know from Mr Cronje why your name was mentioned? Answer that question, please.

MR BOJE: Ja, the people hurt me a little bit when it came out, but probably after a week's time, everything - nobody even phoned me again. So I didn't see it fit to ask him what was going on.

MS BATOHI: No, Mr Boje, this is what I just cannot understand. There were people hassling you, your name was being mentioned in the Press, you never bothered once to pick up the phone and ask Mr Cronje, "why did you mention my name, if it's true?" Can you explain that? I'm not going to persist with this line, but I'm just giving you one more opportunity to explain that.

MR BOJE: Well, I didn't see it fit to ask him.

MS BATOHI: Were you angered by the fact that your name had been mentioned?

MR BOJE: Yeah, probably a little bit, but as I said to you, I forgive him for what he's done. He's human, and we had games to play as well and I can't just keep focusing on these type of things, so you've got to focus on cricket.

MS BATOHI: I'm taking you back now to when the transcripts were first made public, were you angered about the fact that your name had been mentioned in these transcripts?

MR BOJE: No, probably more shocked. And in disbelief.

MS BATOHI: And you still never bothered to find out from Mr Cronje why that was the case?

MR BOJE: I did say before that I asked him what was going on. I didn't ask him why my name was mentioned.

MS BATOHI: Your name was mentioned, together with Mr Strydom's and Mr Gibbs. Did you perhaps ask any one of them at that stage what they knew about what was going on?

MR BOJE: I did ask Herschelle what was - what was going on, he said he doesn't really know what was going on, and Pieter Strydom wasn't part of the team against Australia, so - and I didn't have his phone number, so I didn't phone him.

MS BATOHI: You say you asked Herschelle what was going on. Did you ask him whether he was involved in anything?

MR BOJE: Not really, no.

MS BATOHI: You explained that you have a very close relationship with Mr Cronje.

MR BOJE: That is correct.

MS BATOHI: Do you still have this tremendous respect for him, notwithstanding all the revelations that have been made in the past two days?

MR BOJE: Probably yes. I know he's made big mistakes. Any one can make mistakes, and I forgive him for what he's done, but he is still the Hansie I know, as a person.

MS BATOHI: You said during your consultation you'd be prepared to take a lie detector test. Do you still abide by that?

MR BOJE: Any time.

MS BATOHI: No further questions.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MS BATOHI

COMMISSIONER: Mr Sackstein.

CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR SACKSTEIN: Thank you, Mr Commissioner. Nicky, let's just talk about that meeting in India. Was the first time that this proposition, or whatever it was, the first time it was put to you or that you heard about it was at this team meeting in the room.

MR BOJE: Yes, team meeting in the room, yes.

MR SACKSTEIN: So if anybody suggests that there was a prior discussion, or an individual discussion between you and Hansie about it, that would not be correct.

MR BOJE: I would not know.

MR SACKSTEIN: No. I don't think you understood me. There was no prior discussion between you and Hansie before the team meeting.

MR BOJE: No there wasn't.

MR SACKSTEIN: So if anybody suggested that you were approached, for example, on the plane on the way to Mumbai, that would be incorrect.

MR BOJE: That's correct, yes.

MR SACKSTEIN: Thank you, Mr Commissioner.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR SACKSTEIN

COMMISSIONER: Mr Fitzgerald?

MR FITZGERALD: I have no re-examination.

NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR FITZGERALD

MR GAUNTLETT: Sorry, Mr Commissioner, could it be clarified by Mr Sackstein, I don't know of there any evidence of it being suggested Mr Boje was approached on the plane to Mumbai. I don't know if Mr Cronje's going to say that. I wonder if he could clarify that?

MR SACKSTEIN: Mr Commissioner, Derek Crookes' evidence, as I recall it was that Hansie Cronje said to him:

"I must only speak to you and Andrew Hudson. I've spoken to the other members of the team."

That is my recollection. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

MR GAUNTLETT: No, that is correct, but I didn't understand it to be on the plane, Mr Commissioner.

MR SACKSTEIN: Well, I'm afraid it was said on the plane, and that is the basis upon which I put that question.

COMMISSIONER: A legitimate question, Mr Sackstein. Mr Boje, thank you very much for your assistance.

MR BOJE: Thank you, Sir.

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